Wow - 2 posts in the same day! I am on FIRE!!
Sooooo, I got into a debate today, well, to be honest, it's still not done, but I've been
twittering about it, so I thought I'd share what I have so far.
A bit about the story. The Cayman Islands, is where I'm from. Homosexuality between consenting adults only became legal in 2002. Today a Cruise Ship (Liberty of the Seas) docked, carrying 2000 gay, lesbian couples. The cruise had already caused controversy in some quarters of the community (The Church) as the ship had been chartered by a tour operator catering to gay tourism. They wanted the ship to be banned. It hasn't been. On top of that, a 37 year old man was found dead in his cabin just after lunch today.
The Liberty of the Seas.
And here the debate starts. on Facebook no less.
****** is people watchin today...yo people are so not subtle about being homophobic!
2 hours ago via Facebook for BlackBerry
Becca Jayne Masters
I do feel sorry for all those gay people who just want to visit paradise :/
*****
Ya see it...I personally love um!
(Person I am Debating)
batty ppl in cayman? like a cruise ship or someting?
Becca Jayne Masters
yeah, the church was trying to stop it or something, something about PDA's not in standing with caymans religious background. but they stopped there anyway.
i think it's great. just think if they'd turned them away, that's be 3000 people not spending their $$$'s in cayman.
******
Well hear this....just what they needed...possible murder investigation on the ship
Becca Jayne Masters
oh dear god.
seriously?!?!
(Person I am Debating)
i could live without dat 3000 (2999) ppl spendin dey money in cayman....3000 out of millions not very much is it.
*******
http://www.caymannewsservice.com/headline-news/2010/01/21/body-found-cruise-ship
Becca Jayne Masters
it's better than no tourists coming to the island though ain't it.
i'd rather have 2999 people spending their money than no one.
wonder how that man died?
(Person I am Debating)
why would there be no tourists comin to cayman? nothin stoppin the rest of em from comin....as bad as jam is dey still gt tourist so why deyy would stop comin cayman....theres bout 15 plus ships a week every week of the year this one dat comes every once n awhile not goin be missed.
Becca Jayne Masters
all I'm saying, is it's a stupid thing for them to have wanted to turn away a cruiseship cause it's been chartered by a company that promotes gay tourism.
besides i bet that there are quite a few gay, lesbians, bisexuals or transexuals that use the regular non gay tourist chartered cruiseships.
there's not really much difference.
(Person I am Debating)
but the country itself does not accept the gay community....so basically your sayin that we should allow a cruise ship promoting rapist and murderer tourism because rapists and murderers come on the ships that dont support them anyway. there is a difference. if the states or england said they didnt support the gay community do you think they would... See More allow them to enter there country in a similar situation? no they wouldnt. so just cuz cayman is small and not as powerful as these other countries doesnt mean we should bend our own rules and morals to accommodate these ppl.
Becca Jayne Masters
Forstly, sorry ***** for starting a debate on your wall!
(Person I am Debating), where does it state anywhere that this cruiseship catering for the gay community promotes "rapist and murdering"?
a guy died, yes, but until the investigation has been completed, for all we know the guy could have had a heart attack.... See More
rapists and murders come in all forms, not just homosexual forms. lets not forget that.
there is nothing wrong with being gay and i appreciate that not everyone shares the same viewpoint as I do. I appreciate that as a country Cayman doesn't support the gay community, however it's no longer illegal, and hasn't been since 2002 (if memory servces me correctly).
The only issue here is that the Church Leaders in Cayman think it's wrong, banning a cruiseship full of gay people because they think it's "wrong" is wrong in itself, especially when the govertment declared that consenting adults practicing homosexuality was legal 7 years ago.
these are people just like anyone else, why shouldn't we let them see how beautiful our island is and how friendly our community is?
More to come - I Guess
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And the more to come is here - 21.34
(Person I am Debating)
FIRSTLY i didnt say that the gay ppl were murderers or rapists it was just an analogy to enforce my point. secondly it is only legal in cayman because we are still under british law and for that reason alone it is legal. the word country maybe shouldnt have been used...the nation (the people residing in the country) itself does not accept the gay ... See Morecommunity. so regardless of the law, for the society's sake alone they should not be allowed to come. and the debate here has nothing to do with whether the gay community are like everyone else or not. the FACT is they are not accepted by the majority (large majority) of the community. so technically speaking their coming can be regarded as disturbing the peace.
******* (person's who status it is)
Lol...it seems I have started quite a debate between the two of you on my wall. Honestly no apology needed, I think everybody is entitled to there own opinion about the matter. I personally do not have an issue with it, gay, straight, in the closet or out if they are at peace with themselves and there life styles then what the hell leave um be, I ... See Moream most def at peace with myself...they na hurtin or botherin me.
Oh Rato u ma boy and all and I completely see ur point but the price our island pays for being "developed" and a "tourist destination" is this. We can't say that we are a tourist destination and discriminate against who does or doesn't come here, fortunately that choice is not left up to us, we made an agreement with the rest of the Western tourist attracting hemisphere to take into our island the good, the bad, the ugly and the gay!!! Lol
Becca Jayne Masters
"so basically your sayin that we should allow a cruise ship promoting rapist and murderer tourism" - so where did this anaolgy come from? just curious.
I can't believe that Homosexuality is only legal in the Caymans because you are still under British Law. Just because the UK is the head of State doesn't mean that all your laws are because due to this. For example, Tax. If it were the case, Caymanians would be paying income tax, because that is the Law in the UK. Every citizen should pay tax on their income.
What about peoples basic human rights? Doesn't everyone have the right to decide on their sexuality?... See More
Can we look at the reasons as to why the majority of the nation believes that Homosexuality is wrong? is it the Church? Is it the fact that older members of the community have instilled this belief into the younger generations?
And furthermore, who made them God? cause lets face it, a big belief in Christianity is that it will be God who casts judgement on those seeking to enter heaven. if this is the case, then surely it should be Him and Him alone who makes this judgement. not his worshippers.
What Church does the Nation of Cayman follow anyway? Cause it sure aint the Church of England, it can't be. As far as they're concerned, there's nothing wrong with the act of homosexuality, they've got Gay clergymen for crying out loud.
i think (Person I am Debating), on this one, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Cause if we continue to debate this, we'll be here for years to come.
Lets's see if it continues past here...
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I quite like debating.